Army of Mom

So this is how liberty dies ... with thunderous applause.

9.16.2008

Agree to disagree

As a member of the Fourth Estate, most of my friends are card-carrying Dems. I was once.

We have - for the most part - agreed to disagree when it comes to politics. The things I love about my friends - their passion for things - are the same things that make me dizzy about them come presidential election years.

They think I'm stupid and I have to say, I honestly can't quite wrap my mind around their beliefs when election time rolls around. I would just rather not talk about it all. I try to just tune stuff out because it really does make my stomach turn.

Then, there comes the well meaning emails from acquaintances sharing with me all about their beliefs on the candidates. I hate that people just assume I'm going to share their beliefs because I'm a journalist.

ARGH! *head exploding* It is just too much for me.

And, trolls, don't even bother. You're going to get deleted. My friends? They and I agree to disagree. Don't call me a wingnut and I won't call you a moonbat. Deal?

14 Comments:

  • At 11:32 PM, September 16, 2008, Blogger Fantastagirl said…

    I understand the agree to disagree. At work we have the policy - NO DISCUSSION. Because our office is about half and half. I've learned to just walk away when the boss starts in - he'll never understand my point of view, and it's not that I don't have the ability to express myself, it's that he doesn't have the ability to listen.

    It's going to be an interesting next few months.

     
  • At 11:59 PM, September 16, 2008, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    It is funny that you say that. I don't mind a TRUE debate in which we both state our opinions on an issue. Those are the cases where you are highly unlikely to sway someone. I mean, many people are staunch in a belief - like pro-life and pro-choice. There are some people who may be persuaded to change their minds. But, most have their minds made up and it would be like arguing with a wall.

    What gets me riled up are the people who just pull out the campaign catchphrases and can't tell you why they think something other than someone told them to.

    *shaking my head*

    Infuriating.

     
  • At 6:50 AM, September 17, 2008, Blogger wendy said…

    So glad to see someone passionate about their choice. I get tired of hearing "Why bother?". In my book - if you don't vote, don't complain!

     
  • At 8:57 AM, September 17, 2008, Blogger A Naughty Mouse said…

    This makes me happy to read. All my Democrat friends think I'm some right-winged freak, and my Republican friends think I'm a left-winged loony. Why can't there be a happy medium where you are allowed to make your own opinions and beliefs based on the actual candidates and their stances on certain issues?

     
  • At 9:07 AM, September 17, 2008, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    My problem is so many people are uninformed or they are one-issue people. My best buddy was talking about having lunch with her grandmother and politics came up. Her grandmother - who has to be one of the most conservative women I've ever met - is going to vote for Obama. Why in the world when she is pro-life, pro 2nd amendment, etc. would she do this, my friend and her sister asked?

    Because we need change, MeMaw responded.

    What change, my friends asked ... to which MeMaw couldn't really explain what, in particular, made her support Obama ... other than change.

    ARGH! At least have a REASON for voting for him. If you're for pulling troops out of Iraq, removing guns from the populous, no drilling in ANWAR and abortions at any time during a pregnancy - then BO is your man. If not ... be informed of your choices.

    *panting*

     
  • At 10:47 AM, September 17, 2008, Blogger Submariner said…

    Exactly, AoM! That reminds me of a conversation I had back during 2000's primaries with a supposedly staunch conservative friend who supported McClain over W. My position was that I supported a politician that told us what his convictions were and stood by them. At least that way you had a relatively good idea what the individual would do when faced with choices. My friends position is that he wanted someone that would put his own beliefs aside and do what the people said. When I said that meant he thought Bill Clinton had it right, I thought he was gonna hit me.

    I don't have a problem with an individual recognizing that new facts require a change of position. I have a major problem with those that reverse and reverse and reverse again depending on the fickle whims of the public (i.e. J F'n Kerry). Our public, bless their hearts, is too wrapped up in who's doing Britney and what couple's being voted off the island/dance contest/Idol to pay much attention to what's really important.

    /sarcoff/

    US Politics 101:

    Figure out what you believe.
    Learn what the candidates support.
    Vote for the one that best matches you.

     
  • At 12:23 PM, September 17, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If you're going to keep calling us Libtards, thanks anyway, but we'd prefer MoonBats.

    By the way, worst economy since the Great Depression. Near-complete financial system collapse; billions spent fighting for what?; your children will be working longer and harder the rest of their lives to atone for the past eight years. Mine too - and it sucks.

     
  • At 4:19 PM, September 17, 2008, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    Look everyone ... the troll finally found his way out of the basement.

    My favorite part of his stupid remarks is that NO ONE called anyone a Libtard here. *shaking my head*

    Anon - if you're going to work yourself into a tizzy, at least follow the right post. Go find a tinfoil hat somewhere, grab some Cheetos and watch a Michael Moore flick in your mom's basement.

     
  • At 7:17 PM, September 17, 2008, Blogger Fantastagirl said…

    AoM - Oh, I would love a TRUE debate, with facts, rather than catch phrases, with him you can not ask any questions, he just keeps repeating himself, and NONE of it is his own opinion - he got it off the campaign website. - the scary thing - he votes, because he is "SO informed."

     
  • At 9:00 PM, September 17, 2008, Blogger Kelvinator said…

    Sounds like A Naughty Mouse and I are cut from the same cloth.
    AOM, we may disagree about 95% of politics (I think guns are the only issue where we see eye to eye), but I would NEVER call one of my best buds stupid! PROMISE!

     
  • At 10:19 PM, September 17, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The reference to "Libtard" is not meant to directly relate to this item but to past postings where you often refer to Democrats using said term. It seems I wasn't clear in my earlier post - but thanks for calling me stupid. My point was that you can call us moonbats all you want (referring to your post) as it's preferable to the, in my opinion, more offensive "Libtard."

    Your comment about a tinfoil hat, etc., etc., well ... whatever, I don't own one. I hate cheetos and my mother lives hundreds of miles away. Sorry to disappoint.

    To your commenter: I hardly needed to get any of this from a campaign Web site nor am I simply repeating catch phrases. I'm knee-deep in the facts through my job so I hardly need such crutches. Sorry to disappoint you as well.

     
  • At 10:30 PM, September 17, 2008, Anonymous Lab Kat said…

    *ahem*

    As a liberal NOT posting anonymously, I have to take issue with our dear troll. I would prefer not be called a "libtard" or a "moonbat."

    Godfree, childfree, liberal feminist will do just fine, thank you.

    And, a side note: posting anonymously will get you, at best, a snicker. At worst, you look like a grade-school bully who can dish it out, but can't take it. Grow some balls and post your name. Hell, post a fake name. It doesn't take much.

    *This message was approved by Lab Kat.

     
  • At 10:58 PM, September 17, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Lab Kat: Sure thing, name's Jameson, but I didn't think to list it as I didn't think it was important since I don't know Army of Mom or any commenters, I'm quite certain.

    I have, however, read this site at times and appreciate the family talk as I can relate to it.

    Politics today, however, is starting to boil my blood as I'm stunned that even conservatives can't see past their politics to admit that this Palin situation is a travesty on all counts. Perhaps I shouldn't have posted my original opinion as it wasn't well received - I guess not surprisingly.

    Oh well, off to bed.

    Jameson

     
  • At 8:53 AM, September 18, 2008, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    *waving hi to Jameson*

    See, now you don't have to be called troll or anon. We have a name to put to you. :)

    And, LabKat is right. I know I tend to assume that an anon who comes in guns blaring is a drive-by troll with no intent to accomplish anything but be hateful and leave. Putting a name on it does seem to make it a little easier to stomach.

    And, I did get defensive because I felt like this post was a neutral blog entry, to be perfectly honest. I did not expect for someone to jump on me verbally for it. Some posts, I can understand. This wasn't one that I expected it on. *shrug*

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I subscribe to the thought that if you truly believe in the "other" side, that's fine. Do I think you're messed up in your judgment? Well, yeah. But, am I going to be rude to you? Probably not until you're rude to me. LabKat and I spend many a meal discussing each other's points of view, explaining why we agree or disagree, and then going on to talk about the hideous lacy dress the old lady at the next table is wearing. :)

    And, I am terribly disappointed that you're not living the basement at your mum's house. Please tell me you have a big mole on your face or something else that I can be mean about. :) *please note the sarcasm*

    All of this goes back to my ORIGINAL point ... sometimes it is ok to agree to disagree.

    LabKat and I have it down to a science.

     

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