Army of Mom

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9.09.2004

Am I missing something here?

Evidently in an effort to make Kerry's Vietnam service look polished, the Dems are trying to throw mud on Bush's National Guard service. But, when I read this story I don't see anything that is that big of a deal. He didn't make the cut and missed some evaluations, but it looks to me like he was trying to meet his obligations from the notes here. So, did I miss something? He wasn't shirking his duty and attending Oxford in England as other presidents did and it wasn't considered a big deal. So, why is this considered any bigger of a deal?

Here's the story from Yahoo news:
By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Newly unearthed memos state George W. Bush was suspended from flying for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam war because he failed to meet Guard standards and failed to take his annual flight physical as required.
The suspension came as Bush was trying to arrange a transfer to non-flying status with a unit in Alabama so he could work on a political campaign there.
A memo written a year later referred to one military official "pushing to sugar coat" Bush's evaluation.
"On this date I ordered that 1st Lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination ... as ordered," says an Aug. 1, 1972 memo by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who is now dead.
The same memo notes that Bush was trying to transfer to non-flying status out of state and recommends that the Texas unit fill his flying slot "with a more seasoned pilot from the list of qualified Vietnam pilots that have rotated."
The Vietnam-era documents add details to the bare-bones explanation of Bush's aides over the years that he was suspended simply because he decided to skip his flight physical.
The White House said in February that it had released all records of Bush's service, but one of Killian's memos stated it was "for record" and another directing Bush to take the physical exam stated that it was "for 1st Lt. George W. Bush."
"I can't explain why that wouldn't be in his record, but they were found in Jerry Killian's personal records," White House communications director Dan Bartlett told CBS's "60 Minutes II," which first obtained the memos.
Bartlett said Bush's superiors granted permission to train in Alabama in a non-flying status and that "many of the documents you have here affirm just that."
A memo dated May 19, 1972, five days after Bush was supposed to have completed his physical, summarizes a telephone discussion with Bush about how he "can get out of coming to drill from now through November." It says Bush was "told he could do ET for three months or transfer." ET referred to equivalent training, a procedure for meeting training requirements without attending regularly scheduled drills.
The same memo says "we talked abut him getting his flight physical situation fixed" and quotes Bush as saying he would "do that in Alabama if he stays in a flight status." It also says, I advised him of our investment in him and his commitment."
Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe said, "George W. Bush's cover story on his National Guard service is rapidly unraveling. ... George W. Bush needs to answer why he regularly mislead the American people about his time in the Guard and who applied political pressure on his behalf to have his performance reviews 'sugarcoated'"
Bartlett told CBS, "As it says in your own documents, President Bush talked to the commanders about the fact that he'd be transferring to a unit ... in Alabama that didn't fly that plane," the F-102, the type Bush was trained in.
Using only last names, one of the newly disclosed documents points to sharp disagreement among Bush's superiors in Texas over how to evaluate his performance for the period from mid-1972 through mid-1973.
"Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush," Killian wrote on Aug. 18, 1973. "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job — Harris gave me a message today from Grp regarding Bush's OETR and Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it. Bush wasn't here during rating period and I don't have any comments from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate." Grp refers to a military unit and OETR stands for officer efficiency training report.
The memo concludes: "Harris took the call from Grp today. I'll backdate but won't rate. Harris agrees."
At the time, Walter B. Staudt was commander of the Texas National Guard; Lt. Col. Bobby Hodges was one of Bush's superiors in Texas who two years earlier had rated Bush an outstanding young pilot; and Lt. Col. William D. Harris Jr. was another superior of Bush's.
Records released this year when Bush's military service re-emerged as a campaign issue contain no evidence that he showed up for duty at all for five months in mid-1972 and document only a few occasions later that year.
Asked about Killian's statement in a memo about the military's investment in Bush, Bartlett told CBS: "For anybody to try to interpret or presume they know what somebody who is now dead was thinking in any of these memos, I think is very difficult to do."

15 Comments:

  • At 10:11 AM, September 09, 2004, Blogger gone_1 said…

    I think it's only fair that Bush take lumps over this, as everyone and his dog has had their chance to throw mud at Kerry over his service, his medals and what he supposedly said after the war. Republicans have screamed that Kerry exaggerated his service record and now, they have to face the music over Bush's exaggerated reports of his National Guard service.

    Now kids.... now, that we've all had our screaming match over who did what in Vietnam, a war fought more than 30 years ago, can we possibly start dicussing issues that are pertinent to today... say like homeland security, education, the national deficit, the unemployment rate?

     
  • At 12:01 PM, September 09, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Kerry lied under oath to congress. His testimony is on the record. His "seared" memory speeches were made on the floor of the senate so they could be added to the record. How is that talking about what "supposedly" said?

     
  • At 12:48 PM, September 09, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The ill-informed, one-sided, far-right rhetoric on this site has grown tiresome. Not everything in life is cut and dried, which is I guess why I'm best described as an independent, who typically leans to the right. Everyone needs to consider all sides of every issue and not just spout off about how evil Democrats are or Republicans are and thus create a climate of hate at all turns. It's sad.

     
  • At 2:08 PM, September 09, 2004, Blogger Uzz said…

    Look what you have gone and done AoM...you've created a climate of hate:-( It seems if you lean a little too far in either direction, someone has to call that "hate speech"...personally I call it an opinion. I consider myself an independent as well, but I tend to vote for the conservative in a race...mainly because they tend to mirror my personal beliefs, which consists of smaller government, less taxation, pro-life and their general view of morality in our increasingly immoral society. With that said, I am not behind Bush on every issue...I do not agree with his rigid stance on stem cell research and I think that the rising cost of health care is an issue he has not arduously pursued ... but when weighing the options, W. has been a straight shooter and I feel much better about our security and moral compass with his guidance. Kerry seems to want to place our foreign policy in the hands of the United Nations, which has failed miserably in just about every effort it has taken up.

    As far as this Kerry vs Bush "what were you doing during Vietnam" battle, it has been proven that the issue has not been a good one for Kerry...reportedly Bill Clinton even told him as much while he was lying in the hospital. Kerry seems to think that just because he was in Vietnam, it means he will be a better commander-in-chief. Well, history is not going to validate that theory. Arguably the best wartime President was FDR...no military experience. If you want to go back to WWI then we can point to Woodrow Wilson...no military experience. Now you can look at the Presidents during Vietnam...Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon...all served during WWII, and while we are at it, Eisenhower watched over the waning days of the Korean War, which was basically a draw. I am not trying to say that because you are a military person that you are not going to preside well over wars, but I saying that as President, it is who you surround yourself with that helps shape foreign policy.

    I think AoM fills her blog with what is important to her and that is what these things are all about. Trust me...AoM is the furthest thing from a hate-monger...she is a champion of cancer-stricken children and has done more to help people than I can ever think of doing. She is a conservative...read it or don't read it...its your constitutional right:-)

     
  • At 2:32 PM, September 09, 2004, Blogger gone_1 said…

    Regarding the Anonymous posters:

    Tsk, Tsk.... leaving a nasty comment without identifying yourself. Makes your opinion matter less, I think.

    And, if you don't like what is said here, then move along. This ISN'T your blog, it's AoM's blog. I certainly don't agree with everything she writes and she's one of my best friends. But, then, we understand the phrase "Agree to disagree."


    Uzz:
    I'm a moderate and don't align myself with either party. Quite frankly, choosing a president these days is about as appetizing as eating a greasy burrito after riding the Tilt-A-Whirl. I have grown tired of the sandbox mentality of "You said. No, you said" that this election has taken on. I'm about ready to bitch-slap all of them.

    Oh, and in the spirit of full disclosure, my Dad fought in Vietnam. He has a Purple Heart because his helicopter was shot down behind enemy lines and he broke his back. One of his unit managed to get him to another helicopter and he spent the next several months in a Korean hospital, thanking his lucky stars he wasn't paralyzed. He has a Vietnam flag with blood on it, as well as pictures and stories that would chill you.

    That said, I think Vietnam should NOT be the defining issue of this election. It divided a nation 30 years ago and it's doing again, thanks to spin doctors and extremists on BOTH sides.

     
  • At 3:37 PM, September 09, 2004, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    AoM taking a bow.

    Look at what I did today ladies and gentlemen. I created a stir. I made people think and I was even called a hate-monger. That has to be a first.

    Thanks Uzz and Kat for coming to my defense. This is, indeed, my piece of the Internet and as I have said before, you are welcome to come in and hang out for a while. If you don't like the atmosphere, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Feel free to post comments, but as 2 of 5 indicated, I don't consider anonymous posts to have much merit. If you don't have the balls to put a name on the post, don't expect us to give you much credence.

     
  • At 12:13 AM, September 10, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Looks like y'all been missing the fun over those (apparently forged) memos. Here was my contribution (but it has links to the real people).

    I think CBS will get totally hosed over this.

     
  • At 7:09 AM, September 10, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Big media check facts!? Why start now? They have done a poor job on just about every person who has tried to smear the president up to now.

    Note I said BIG MEDIA. So AoM don't get pissy like you often do when I rant about the media...

    Army of Dad

     
  • At 7:56 AM, September 10, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    How comfy is that doghouse, AoD?

     
  • At 8:33 AM, September 10, 2004, Blogger Buck Dharma said…

    Could it be? That "60 Minutes", that left leaning bilge belching pompous excuse for a news magazine was bamboozeled by Ben Barnes (snicker) and their own fact finders and document checkers? It would appear that it might just be the case. Barnes own son and daughter have questioned his honesty in the last 24 hours. An independent expert said the documents helping those who would like to question W's National Guard service appear to be fake. The documents in question, supposedly written in 1971-72 look to have been done on Microsoft Word. The giveaways apparently are the font and spacing of the documents. It has also come to light that Barnes has contributed $100,000 to the Kerry campaign and is actually the Vice-chair of the Kerry campaign. Isn't it amazing how little fact checking is done when the major media outlets smell a chance to get the current administration? This kind of thing has to stop, the major media people are trying very hard to fix the outcome of this election.

     
  • At 12:36 PM, September 10, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    What doghouse? She knows I am right so I only get flamed a little...you know corss look, eye rolling, sighs etc...

    I LOVE how this is starting to look like a hoax...vast right wing conspiracy indeed. Billary had it all wrong, it is a vast conspiracy allright, but from the LEFT.

    Hey Kat, who should take the lumps over this story?

    Army of Dad

     
  • At 1:28 PM, September 10, 2004, Blogger gone_1 said…

    AoD:

    You mean if the story about Bush's record turns out to be a hoax? Then, I think whoever manufactured it should take the blame. However, I also believe the media has behaved stupidly in all this as well. They have taken whatever is spoon-fed to them by the party spin doctors and have not bother checked it against, oh say, the facts.

    (Point of disclosure: I'm an ex-reporter.)

    I'm pretty much sick of BOTH sides' tactics in this election. I won't base my vote on TV ads or "memos" or what Bruce Springteen believes at the current moment. I'm trying to educate myself in each man's voting record, how he has aligned himself on issues important to me (abortion, education, etc.) and then vote.

    Or, I may write in the name of my cat when I get to the booth.

     
  • At 2:02 PM, September 10, 2004, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Why not Kerry? If you felt it was only fair for Bush to take some lumps, wouldn't it also be fair for Kerry to take some lumps from this?

    As far as both sides acting stupidly, well they ARE politicians...

    Army of Dad

     
  • At 8:33 AM, September 11, 2004, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    AoD isn't in the doghouse. I'm a critic of big media and I HATE ... yes, all caps ... HATE stupid TV news people. They are clueless, looking for a soundbite, and they are so absolutely biased.

     
  • At 3:44 PM, September 14, 2004, Blogger Tarantulas said…

    "Grp refers to a military unit and OETR stands for officer efficiency training report."

    Apparently it doesn't.

     

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